๐Ÿ”ด Live Q&A! Testing out the ATEM Mini Extreme in EXTREMELY bad network conditions!

May 21, 2023

Questions

Aric Thompson
(7:52) it's the Flux capacitor

Michael Fair
(8:58) huh we had the same thing happen during our church service. had to turn off and turn our board back on to fix it

Delmixedit
(14:33) Itโ€™s not a mute though. Itโ€™s a send

Brad Fogle
(15:37) lol itโ€™s always the simplest things ๐Ÿ˜…

M'Lynn Hartwell
(15:40) Phantom Power on?

Bernd Strobl
(15:42) Phantom Power on? ๐Ÿ˜‰

Joe_at_AlphaCreative
(15:44) Oh wait are you trying the Automixer?

Michael Fair
(16:03) global will bite u in the butt

WutrUduin?
(16:06) Idk about x32, but my mixer has a setting to choose muting a channel on main or aux doesn't also mute it on the other auxes/buses. Is that a thing on x32?

Adam West
(17:07) Is the promo sidebar during the preroll new? More adverts than Times Square! ๐Ÿ˜‚

Franklin Ferreira
(17:48) There's a global setting on the sends panel.

Franklin Ferreira
(19:17) The blue circule~

Franklin Ferreira
(19:18) That is actually grey right now

Marc Rossmann
(20:15) Q: Whta on your t-shirt, please?

VM Live Media Production
(22:18) Q. Please how do I solve cache full on atem mini pro?

Rene Brunken
(23:17) Q: used an LTE modem, although the speedtest showed 50 down and 20 up speed, caching occured even with streaming low setting, any hints?

Nils Braune
(27:48) Is that Copenhagen?

Eric Likness
(32:01) Losing Frames, big time ๐Ÿ‘€

Eric Likness
(32:07) I love this PiP layout/diagram for the real-time test.

Rick Allen
(34:51) I've been watching the time stamp. It seems to have cached correctly

Christopher Wichura
(38:00) Q: Approximately how much time can the ATEM cache at 1080p/30?

Clear Life Media
(38:44) Am I wrong, but once you set the streaming quality on the team you can't change it without ending the stream? I've ran into issues where I need to go to a lower quality but can't without stopping it

Adam West
(52:01) You might need to refresh the YouTube webpage

Clear Life Media
(52:19) This is usually the exact issue we ran into when streaming from the atem. So we stopped using to stream. Cause once there is a glitch in the system you get this and then you get angry calls lol

Michael Flotron
(56:37) YouTube is like WOW what in the world is going on with this person's connection?!

Nils Braune
(58:04) You could show "stats for nerds" in the YT window.

Koala20
(59:42) Sir, Have you Tried turning it on and off again? ๐Ÿคฃ

TVJAY
(1:00:01) Q: Nice shirt, I just bought one

Michael Flotron
(1:00:34) I've just been using a Magewell encoder for everything ATEM. Blackmagic doesn't seem to have figured out RTMP on any of their products it's so strange.

Christopher Wichura
(1:00:54) Q: Is there any advantage to sending feed into a WebPresenter to do the encoding vs the encoder in the ATEM itself?

Christopher Wichura
(1:01:43) Q: Is there any advantage to sending feed into a WebPresenter to do the encoding vs the encoder in the ATEM itself?

Gerhard Kostrewa
(1:01:54) But I can not stop the stream on the Atem when the Cache is full.

Clear Life Media
(1:03:16) Still no cache reading error though. So you wouldn't know

Grant Butler
(1:03:31) Q: Is that "full cache" issue only for the ATEM Mini or is that also for the WebPresenter?

Robert Gibson
(1:05:00) Could you make a Macro to stop the stream and change stream quality?

Graham Rule
(1:10:48) But, will the macro work if the stream can't be stopped in 2 seconds?

Grant Butler
(1:11:53) Q: Is there written documentation somewhere on the macro XML format, or no?

Scott Jarriel
(1:12:13) Q: It's odd that the 'low' settings for streaming still seem to want at least 5-6Mbps upllink speed.

ND
(1:15:33) hi chat just joining. how is the testing going

Scott Jarriel
(1:15:41) Q: What software are you using to route on the PC?

Graham Rule
(1:16:44) What happens if you change that latency boolean in the macro?

newsfan77
(1:19:59) Q: just joining, does this mean you can set the bitrate to be whatever you want in the xml?

Graham Rule
(1:25:33) You are back up at 3

Dansplaining Video
(1:25:46) I donโ€™t think you ran that macro after the last update

Romke Hoogwaerts
(1:26:46) music sounds like its underwater!

Nils Braune
(1:26:48) That's (old analogue) phone quality.

Eric Likness
(1:26:51) @Romke Hoogwaerts yes UNderwater, totally. Like some Zoom audio

ImageBySteve
(1:26:53) yes trble is missing

Piper Blush
(1:27:19) I have no question this week !

Scott Jarriel
(1:27:39) Q: Any thoughts on what the every ~3 second network burst is that comes from the ATEM?

Rene Brunken
(1:27:57) there is a file streaming.xml on system

Graham Rule
(1:28:16) The music is a bit too loud now

Michael Flotron
(1:28:27) Sometimes you don't appreciate good sounding audio until you hear bad sounding audio haha

Bruce Bedell
(1:28:46) Q: Can you add a cash dump to the macro

Eric Likness
(1:29:59) Cache Dump yes, drop the data bits on the floor and move on.

Christopher Wichura
(1:30:07) Q: What are the chances of BMD adding any newer codecs like h.265 or AV1 in a future hardware box? They seem to not like to do things like that...

Jesus Garcia Mederos
(1:31:11) Q: It would be interesting if one day you could make a program about different strategies for automating a YouTube channel through a playout type program or similar.

Graham Rule
(1:31:47) I thought the ATEM was mainly FPGA so they might be able to add codecs

Rene Brunken
(1:32:17) Let's hit the like button, thanks for informative session

WutrUduin?
(1:32:23) cache dump on double press or hold. If the stream was mostly fine, you want to finish uploading the end of your stream.

Overdrive007
(1:34:17) Q: How do you do the overlays of the comments?

Jens Willmroth
(1:34:41) The H264 encoding is part of the FPGA, but in a separate logic block.

Scott Jarriel
(1:34:49) Great session today, very informative. Thanks!

Jens Willmroth
(1:35:28) Xilinx ZYNQ Ultrascale+ XCZU5EV to be precise

Jens Willmroth
(1:35:45) EEVBlog did a teardown of the Extreme ISO and I downloaded the data sheet.

WutrUduin?
(1:35:48) q: someone asked if you have a video on USK overlays.

Romke Hoogwaerts
(1:36:08) would love to see a test of yolobox pro's new network bonding options!

Grant Butler
(1:36:33) Q: Is there a good way to get those kinds of stats (packet loss, for example) on the broadcaster side, so you can keep an eye on things?

Adam West
(1:38:20) Has anyone reported these issues to Blackmagic? Blackmagic are quite responsive to people reporting issues. But if no one is reporting them then they might not even know

Michael Flotron
(1:39:33) I'm glad to donate my Magewell Ultra Encode to the cause! haha I'd be really curious to see the results

TVJAY
(1:40:34) Q: What do you consider to be the best encoder for home use?

Jesus Garcia Mederos
(1:41:38) Q: With a touch screen connected to one of the outputs of the Atem Mini, could you switch cameras by touching the touch screen?

Graham Rule
(1:42:41) I've also been unable to stop recording when the SSD is too slow. Could be a related problem.

Michael Flotron
(1:43:05) With no throughput restriction it should be able to handle high packet loss. but with limited throughput it can wreak havoc

Tom Dalderup
(1:43:37) Wow i like this live testing. Thank you for sharing this. While doing the macro to change the bitrate should you push a still in there to notify the viewers? Pro ans cons?

Michael Flotron
(1:45:41) The Pro Convert series doesn't do RTMP or SRT. Ultra Encode does

Graham Rule
(1:46:02) If the stream is cached then the image won't be displayed until you lower the bitrate

Jules Apatini
(1:48:00) Q Aaron, what is your opinion on the current situation and problems AI can create for us in the future? Do you use it a lot for what you do?

WutrUduin?
(1:49:19) q: I might've missed it, can you not change the bit rate while it's dumping the cache b/c it's "on air" until empty?

Eric Likness
(2:02:50) Stopped, but keeps stuttering.

Eric Likness
(2:02:52) Wow, the upload is a potato

Peter V
(2:02:58) Unable to stop the stream while the cache is full is a really big problem with how the ATEM works. Run into that problem during a client stream.

Eric Likness
(2:03:04) So using your phone with speedtest showing 3mbit up is a real world test, hands down. Typical situation I would think for most folks.

WutrUduin?
(2:03:46) walked away for moment. did he do a speed test on his phone before this test?

Eric Likness
(2:08:56) Finally triggered, with priority set.

Eric Likness
(2:08:59) So this is a triple-whammy, it won't fail over to the phone,... when the cache is FULL!!!d

Graham Rule
(2:09:20) Can you change the priority from a macro?

WutrUduin?
(2:09:28) now improve the Ethernet connection?

Michael Flotron
(2:12:02) This makes the lack of streaming capability on the new constellations a non-issue

Eric Likness
(2:12:45) So even if had a Gl.inet connected via USB-C, but if the router doesn't have greater than 3mbit upload, you're still out of like.

Eric Likness
(2:13:54) We know so much more now than we did 2 hours ago.

Eric Likness
(2:14:33) This is a killer layout/setup for the encoder tests. Looking forward to more network stream, Struggle Bus road tests.

Graham Rule
(2:15:03) Thanks for a great demo.